Hehe.. Damage Control

Pammy and Robbie are back-tracting on their initial post regarding 'Lil Tommy and Kevies, former leaders of the English Defence League. Very nice try. (Can I get the 72.$ and the eight hours out of my day which included commuting, to see you both? And, you two didn't even sign my lousy books).

Co-written by Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, latest cheerleaders for Turn-coats: 

 http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/10/beheading-the-edl.html

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/10/beheading-the-edl.html

"Beheading the EDL"

I cowrote this statement from Pamela Geller -- this is AFDI's position:

"That Crescent Moon is is Compelling!"

This is Muslim Outreach? Tommy Robinson approaches Quilliam in earnest, puts his life on the line, becomes a pariah (and rightly so) and that's how they declare it? Decapitation sounds like jihad, not reformation.

Quilliam claimed they have “facilitated the decapitation of the EDL” and called on all remaining members to “follow in his footsteps”.

As I noted in my initial declaration of support for Tommy's leaving the EDL, there were many problematic elements within the EDL: antisemites, neo-Nazis, etc. There are also many patriotic lovers of freedom, and I hope they will be able to continue their struggle for human rights and the defense of England against Sharia and Islamization. While we supported Tommy's distancing himself from the unsavory forces that were infiltrating the EDL, his association with the Quilliam Foundation is problematic in the extreme.

"Don't see this in your mirror"

The Quilliam Foundation was founded by former members of the Islamic supremacist group Hizb ut-Tahrir, which calls for a worldwide caliphate. The Quilliam founders say they've rejected all that and are "moderates" now, but there are warning signs that they aren't. The Quilliam Foundation is named after a 19th-century British convert to Islam, Abdullah (formerly William) Quilliam, who was hardly a "moderate." In warning Muslims not to aid a British expedition into Sudan in 1896, he wrote: "For any True Believer to take up arms and fight against another Muslim is contrary to the Shariat, and against the law of God and his holy prophet. I warn every True-Believer that if he gives the slightest assistance in this projected expedition against the Muslims of t

he Soudan, even to the extent of carrying a parcel, or giving a bite of bread to eat or a drink of water to any person taking part in the expedition against these Muslims that he thereby helps the Giaour [Infidels] against the Muslim, and his name will be unworthy to be continued upon the roll of the faithful."

And he called for a worldwide Islamic caliphate, saying: "At the present time, union is more than ever necessary among Muslims. The Christian powers are preparing a new crusade in order to shatter the Muslim powers, under the pretext that they desire to civilise the world."

"I think I messed up something"

So Quilliam was not a good name for a supposedly moderate Muslim organization, and the organization is a classically deceptive enterprise. It showed that it was not genuinely opposed to jihad when it came out in favor of the "Palestinian" jihad against Israel and the ending of Israeli defensive operations. Also, when the Quilliam Foundation began, its founder Ed Husain attacked Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ibn Warraq and Robert Spencer -- would a real opponent of jihad and Islamic supremacism do that? I don't think so. Spencer noted then that Husain "wrote disingenuously about Islamic teaching on apostasy and other matters, and ignored the deep scriptural, theological and legal foundations of Islamic violence and supremacism. Hardly a promising performance for a genuine reformer."

A deceptive group like this will be able to deceive Tommy Robinson, who is full of courage and committed to human rights is not well-versed in Islamic teaching, into thinking that Islam is a Religion of Peace and the jihadis are just a tiny minority of "extremists" -- a word Tommy has been using a lot over the last few days.Meanwhile, Islamic supremacist groups like MPACUK hate Quilliam and gleefully point out that it has no following among Muslims. So even if they are sincere, which is doubtful, how effective will Tommy be working with them, anyway?

NEVER? Gee, what do you two think?